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Project: Gorgon is a 3D fantasy MMORPG (massively-multiplayer online role-playing game) that features an immersive experience that allows the player to forge their own path through exploration and discovery. We won't be guiding you through a world on rails, and as a result there are many hidden secrets awaiting discovery. Project: Gorgon also features an ambitious skill based leveling system that bucks the current trend of pre-determined classes, thus allowing the player to combine skills in order to create a truly unique playing experience.

The Project: Gorgon development team is led by industry veteran Eric Heimburg. Eric has over a decade of experience working as a Senior and Lead Engineer, Developer, Designer and Producer on successful games such as Asheron’s Call 1 and 2, Star Trek Online and other successful Massively Multiplayer Online Games.



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    The "Enhanced Client" in UO has a target frame that contains the health bars of "mobs in range" you can click. Some other game (forgot which) had a frame that listed all mobs you're currently in combat with (FF14 maybe?). Something like this would be handy, also the marking of mobs.
    With such tools, planned crowd control would be doable, smooth and fun.

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    @ErDrick - Yes, we have pretty different playstyles. I picked up an aversion to anything resembling endgame in my WoW days, so my usual approach is to level a couple skills together and then switch to something else when I get close to max level with them (or get bored of them earlier on). I wouldn't use a max level aoe skill to powerlevel a second skill because it doesn't make any sense to me to speed up the leveling process which is the part of the game I like the most.

    I also wouldn't use aoe to mass-farm lower level mobs because I find farming boring.

    So, I use skills with aoe just the way I'd use other skills. I tend to solo or duo in vaguely level-appropriate areas, and the aoe works out fine for that. I don't really go out of my way to look for aoe opportunities - I'm quite happy if I can splash some aoe on just one or two adds. If I pull more than that, I'm usually dead, so I don't try for it. It's not all that exciting, but it basically amounts to me having fun dabbling around with aoe without feeling any particular need to go for max efficiency.

    There are a couple mass aoe exceptions to that:
    - Kur Tower. I find playing chicken with a bunch of zombies to see how many I can group up before they kill me to be insanely fun. I am actually quite sad that experience got nerfed. I think when I was leveling fire magic, I spent a lot of time in Kur Tower - level 38-56 or maybe even a bit higher. The last few levels weren't as fun because things were getting rather too easy but I stayed there because there isn't much else to do between 50-60. So, I suppose this can count as power-leveling but I would probably spend just as many levels in Kur Tower if I was leveling two skills that did not include aoe.
    - Outdoor Gazluk orc camps. I was duoing with a bard tank friend and we were definitely trying to stack as many mobs as we could to aoe them at once (which was usually not that many thanks to all the casters and archers.) So, that's been nerfed now too, but my preferred solution would really be to have the spawn rate in those camps changed, so that we don't have 5 casters popping on top of us at once. Madly spamming all available aoe seemed to be the only way to live through that.

    So, I can definitely see some of the problems you are talking about, even while mostly staying out of endgame group content myself.

    Maybe this is getting off-track a bit, but how would you propose making the money-making and repeat-leveling process more fun? Just grinding through things as fast as possible with an ae skill you otherwise don't want to use sounds not fun to me... I realize definitions of fun differ, but would you be actually enjoy grinding for money/xp if aoe was changed back to the way it was before? ( Also a serious question aimed at understanding your point of view. My own answer is basically to avoid anything that starts feeling like a grind and take game breaks if needed, but that certainly does not make anyone money fast.)


    Archery - yeah, I really shouldn't say "I'm ok with a nerf for a skill that I don't play anyway." It is a nice skill though, and I felt you were undervaluing it a bit. It's correct you can't use everything at once but sometimes it helps to be able to just quickly switch in an ability even if your overall gear isn't optimized to make the most of it. I also felt the archery nerfs in this patch were primarily aimed at Mangling Shot which I would very much rate as the most powerful and possibly overpowered archery ability. I don't know if it needed nerfing, but I know it's the one ability that I never took off my archery combat bar, no matter what other abilities I tried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazeandi View Post
    The "Enhanced Client" in UO has a target frame that contains the health bars of "mobs in range" you can click. Some other game (forgot which) had a frame that listed all mobs you're currently in combat with (FF14 maybe?). Something like this would be handy, also the marking of mobs.
    With such tools, planned crowd control would be doable, smooth and fun.
    Ooh all of that. (EQ now has a similar list that shows all mobs currently in combat with your group. As someone who started playing EQ around 2000, it still feels a bit like cheating to me but it makes a mezzer's job much, much easier. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tagamogi View Post

    Maybe this is getting off-track a bit, but how would you propose making the money-making and repeat-leveling process more fun? Just grinding through things as fast as possible with an ae skill you otherwise don't want to use sounds not fun to me... I realize definitions of fun differ, but would you be actually enjoy grinding for money/xp if aoe was changed back to the way it was before? ( Also a serious question aimed at understanding your point of view. My own answer is basically to avoid anything that starts feeling like a grind and take game breaks if needed, but that certainly does not make anyone money fast.)
    That's a very good question, I don't really have an answer that will apply to everyone. A good start would be making group content fun and engaging so that people wouldn't mind starting from scratch as much. For me personally, it's not the exp that is the problem as much as It's just not enjoyable to repeat as is. Mowing down your enemies in a matter of seconds before they mow you down is acceptable in a twitch style combat setting, as in where you can do dodge rolls and active blocks and interrupts to avoid getting instantly killed, but I don't find it acceptable or fun in this type of tab-target game. But hey, maybe that's just me, that's one of the reasons I posted...to try to get a feel for if anyone else feels the same way, or if they don't....to find out why they don't.

    But not everyone wants to be in a group 24/7 either and that shouldn't be forced, I myself just want to kill stuff alone at times, so that is not gonna alleviate the issue for everyone.

    Other then that....reduce the costs of unlocks and upgrades to manageable levels. Yes, AE grinding is quite boring, I don't even really do it for the exp, I do it for the cash to pay for the unlocks and skills...it comes to roughly 400k to fully unlock a skill ( plus whatever you had to do to get the required favor with 2-6 different NPC's depending on which skill we're talking about). But while I am grinding that cash I might as well not waste the exp, so I level something up while I do it just to make it a tiny bit less boring and wasteful. I have never sat at panthers in kur for a whole day doing this btw, I do it in 50-70 level content usually...and only for 1-2 hours at a time because it drives me crazy with boredom. I wish I didn't have to do it but if I want to try something new, I do have to.

    Like if I log on tomorrow and decide to level a skill that I have not worked on before, like...knife fighting. I know I am going to require 400k-1million councils when all is said and done to do that. All the other options for making that money in a reasonable time frame have been systematically eliminated. AE grinding for it is kind of the last bastion, and no..I don't enjoy it. That said, I do enjoy AE'ing for 5-15 hours more then I'd enjoy grinding 1 mob at a time for 100 hours to accomplish it ( although both options are still shitty to me). This is only gonna get worse @ level 91 unlocks.

    Grinding is part of mmo's, I get that. When I played everquest though the group combat was closer to what I want to see here so it felt like less of a grind ( not to be confused with EQ in it's current state though, not even close to the same animal). Dungeon or named bosses also had unique drops to keep you going in there for. ( which is another thing this game desperately needs, more things like the ring from the gargoyle in GK). To be clear both dungeon bosses and soloable nameds "in the field" had items like this, there was always a solo alternative...maybe it wasn't as good ( but in some cases it was) but it was still something to do even while alone.

    Another nice feature that EQ had that I wouldn't mind seeing was that monsters that were a certain amount of levels below you stopped giving you experience, but they also didn't aggro you when you were trying to run from point A to B. Just a quality of life thing though.

    It seems like the costs are also pretty prohibitive for first timers as well, I have seen quite a few new people getting stuck at 50 or 60 for a few weeks at a time, simply because they can't afford to buy the unlock ( or afford the favor grind itself). Now I could go to GK with groups and sell everything that drops...except that I also need phlogs and stuff so.... screwing myself one way or the other. Better to just go mass kill some stuff that drops nothing I need and sell it. But neither of those things would help first timers. I should note though that I always try to avoid screwing with newer players, I will usually leave an area rather then kill everything and deprive them of their fun...although not everyone is going to be that respectful. ( although sometimes I don't even know other people are there)

    Speaking of the cost issue though, some input from first time players would be pretty helpful to determine if this ( money) is as big of a problem as I think it is... I know it is to some of the other veterans I have talked to about it. In most games though, your money would be going towards upgrading your gear instead of unlocking skills so...this game is in a strange place as far as that goes, and I could be completely off the mark.

    I feel like when changes are made the only question that they should be asking themselves is "is this going to make the game more fun?" Balance and realism is nice but if it isn't fun neither of those really matter. If the answer is "not really" then they need to be thinking of alternate options. Easier said then done though, and I also understand that. On top of that there is no change you could possibly make that will please everyone, also understood.

    I'm not trying to say "OMG do what I am saying or the game will fail", I'm trying to start discussions that might lead to the game becoming better.

    But the short answer would be : Make it more fun ( by fixing group content), lower costs so we don't HAVE to focus on making a ton of money just to try something, and stop throwing swarms of mobs at me. Alternate goals like unique items ( or even skillbooks) would also be a plus.

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    As far as acrhery changes btw, we really need to wait and see how the other skills balance out after the next patch before I jump to(more) conclusions. My point about that was mostly it isn't any better or worse then any other skillset, while having extra requirements ( fletching ...which also requires foraging and alchemy and gardening and mining / looting trash mobs you'd never loot otherwise just to get your arrows back/ other people stealing your arrows / arrows eating up 8-12 inventory slots/ every attack costing you money/ If you don't pay attention and happen to run out of arrows, that skill just became invalid...hope you aren't 2 hours deep in a dungeon).

    It used to have an ability that set it apart from other skillsets, in the utility that hookshot brought, which made it worth using in some situations regardless of the downsides ...but that is gone. The stated reason for it's removal was that the single-pull offered by it made things too easy...leading me to believe that he also does NOT want us body-pulling single mobs either and they just haven't figured out how to address that yet ( could be wrong, if a developer wants to correct me on that, please do).

    Some people used it purely because it could be modded to do insane damage though ( if anyone remembers at one point it was doing 10k+ critical hits consistantly), and that's how it got attention and also a nerf bat, and that's understandable...but if it's just "in-line" to other skills then the drawbacks aren't worth it. ( as always, in my opinion..not as a fact).
    Last edited by ErDrick; 05-31-2018 at 08:00 PM.

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    I really need to log off here and stop posting walls of text, but my 2 cents on a aggro meter would be a no. I don't want to see the game be easier, I just want to enhance the fun of a few systems that I feel need it, or even make it harder in some aspects.

    I had to add that or id be a hypocrite for asking people not to just read my posts and move on without leaving their own thoughts or feedback !

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    I don't really like the 'lists' but we do need a way to consistently keep track of what 'monster 2 of 6' is doing.

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    Just thought of something else that needs mentioning, but before that I would like to say the reason I'm posting stuff in this thread instead of making a new thread for combat issues is because we have tried it before, and those threads immediately die. People actually read patch note discussions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yaffy View Post

    -Crowd Control
    I don't think Mez should be unbreakable for 5 seconds, as that would just turn it into a 5 second stun which is ridiculously strong
    If you want to talk about how ridiculously strong a 5 second stun would be ( like you thought I meant ) we really should bring up how stupidly powerful AE disables are, since they're essentially the same thing.

    Especially when certain bosses ( at least 3 I can think of) have AE disable + ae stun+ ae knockback as their skillset. The current work around is stun the hell out of them before they can do it....Kill them before they become unstunned if you can.

    If I CC a mob it becomes immune to the same type of CC for 60 seconds afterwards, why doesn't that apply to players?

    At the very least if that's going to remain a thing then disables shouldn't gray out healing abilities.

    Can you imagine if a player skillset had a 5 second AE disable like mobs do? on like a 5 second cooldown ( like they basically do because their rage bars are so small)....everyone would be using it.

    We should also bring up how multiple mobs that stun for 1 second each are able to stack those stuns into 10 second durations.... it's not very fun when you get caught in it and don't have 60%+ stun resistance.

    I feel like this type of ability should be reserved for something special / insanely powerful, not to every boss going forward ( which seems to be the trend atm). Not to even mention a plethora of trash mobs having the ability.

    Thoughts?
    Last edited by ErDrick; 05-31-2018 at 09:07 PM. Reason: Mis-spelled "ridiculous" for some reason I always do!

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    @ErDrick

    When it comes to AoE disables and stuff from bosses, honestly I like them, since they make the boss more difficult and a bit crazier. Now, I don't know how other people feel about it, but one big thing that I like about those bosses like the golem is that they can reward good movement from players, which is a big thing Project Gorgon has that other MMORPGs don't (Probably by accident). If you aren't the one tanking, you can actually dodge those AoEs by moving out of range and then coming back in, which I think is really cool, but I really don't see people do like ever. (Most people just run away to heal if they're dying). It doesn't just save health but also increases damage since you get to avoid the disable/stun.

    This is basically the same thing as other MMORPGs where enemies spawn big red circles around them to warn everyone around them of the attack you need to dodge, but this one doesn't give you such a blatant warning and it's based off of cooldown/rage meter instead, which makes it feel way more natural rather than the typical MMORPG Dance Dance Revolution. It's kind of awkward before you understand how the boss works though. I would love to see these moves be telegraphed in an interesting way and have their ranges shown, but without resorting to the typical MMORPG style of "Step out of the red circle". Maybe something like a telegraphed animation before the move comes out would be neat? Like if the Golem did an animation that says "I'm going to explode" or something without drawing anything on the ground.

    I know what I said would be a bit of work on the animation department and kinda push Gorgon to being sorta actiony. But I do think it would make boss fights more interesting. You wouldn't have to change stats or anything (Since I know some games would use the give away animation as an excuse to triple its damage) but it would just encourage players to do what they already could be doing right now and make it a bit easier to understand. It's a bit of a silly proposal but I do think movement in combat in PG is completely different than movement in other MMORPGs and could have potential to be implemented in a fun and interesting way.

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    I typed out a nice, long response to the question of the cost of unlocking higher level skills, but the internet went out when I hit submit =\

    Short version: I'm reaching the part of the game where I'll have to be unlocking 61+ pretty soon. I'm bard 57/ psych 50/ ment 48 right now, and I just don't see the point in grinding money for hours to unlock 61+ yet. Being higher level doesn't really change the game. I don't get more options, just harder versions of the same options. I get the same enjoyment out of murdering piles of goblins that I get from murdering piles of anything else, and I can murder piles of goblins just fine with my L50 skills. Most of what I find enjoyable about this game can be done at pretty much any level. The only incentives to killing stuff and leveling up past 50 is to get the ability to kill more stuff and level up more. There's no land ownership. There's no political offices to run for. There's no interesting game functionality which unlocks at higher levels in combat skills, so right now, it's really not a good investment relative to the amount of work it requires. I say this from the perspective of a relatively casual player - my play time is probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 hours a week, mostly on Saturday.

    Said another way, I don't think I'd enjoy the game more at level 70 because I'd just be doing the same things, but I'd have to sink 20 hours of grinding into just gathering money.



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