Update Discussion: May 25, 2018

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Originally Posted by Aionlasting

Perhaps it will allow for more thinking in gameplay, more variation among players, allow for things like buffers/debuffers/ccers'/healers to get some playtime.

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This. Right here, this.

The problem is, too many people want a single player game with a chat where they can brag about their accomplishments, and have no idea what an MMO, especially the likes of Pre-WoW MMOs, are all about. Well put.

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Originally Posted by Aionlasting

Hey man, you need a time out and a chill pill.

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Not raging just stating what Im going to do not like its illegal to farm in lower level dungeons when they fix this or make it banable to go in lower level dungeon and hog kills let me know then I will have to find another solution besides guys gotta eat cheese costs money and I need to find a way to pay for food someway lol

Also as a side note that I dont care about steam reviews just went from very positive to mostly positive thats not a good thing

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Originally Posted by Ortallus

This. Right here, this.

The problem is, too many people want a single player game with a chat where they can brag about their accomplishments, and have no idea what an MMO, especially the likes of Pre-WoW MMOs, are all about. Well put.

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Playing solo should be perfectly viable. Early MMOs, except EQ, offered flexible game play. The game already provides magic bonus xp just because you "grouped". I'm not sure how much more hand-holding incentive "groupers" need. Classic first gen MMOs made people split xp, not give them a bonus, for grouping because it's so easy to steamroll content the more people you have.

AOE is out of control. People shouldn't be able to mow down packs of 5, 10, or 15 overland mobs without thinking. The same way groups shouldn't be able to steamroll group tuned content (as much as I think that shouldn't even be a thing). Players at all levels should need to use more than their AoE button DPS skill with the tank easy-mode faceroll taunting, and the priest one button healing them.

The point of balance changes, hopefully, is to tune game play so players need to approach content thoughtfully, no matter the party size not make one play style pay at the expense of another.

Feedback is good - even the bits that are perhaps a bit pointed. We understand that you are passionate about the game and upset about this change.

I will not, however, tolerate posters throwing insults at others.

I've deleted a couple of posts that didn't contain actual feedback. Everyone, please try to keep it polite and on-topic so that I don't have to delete any more.

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Originally Posted by awol_lsd

make all aoe builds obsolete, no reason to run any aoe skill

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Simply untrue. I was running around with my aoe build absolutely fine. Even fighting up to 6 mobs. It goes slower, yes, but not completely obsolete. It just made it not ridiculously OP.

Furthermore, if you can't pull less than 4-7, then you'll just have to pull smart. Which I know is difficult for a lot of people.

Enchanter pulls with a mezz, you've got 20 seconds (6) left. Party of 6 should have 2 DPS. Peel off 2, and single target that's 4 left, which tank can handle. The damage on AOE is still enough to blast down those 4 after the 2 have been spanked.

There are other ways to handle this, too. Most of them involving more CC. Which people have been telling Citan is useless. CC is now useful.

Poor guy can't win for losing with players who take a sky is falling attitude. It's sad.

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Originally Posted by ArkadyRandom

Playing solo should be perfectly viable.

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Sure. Playing solo should be perfectly viable. But not if you want the best rewards.

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Originally Posted by awol_lsd

+ another attempt to "force" people to play the way he wants us to....

this is so fk'n stupid.

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What's stupid is thinking developers should build the game how you personally want it, and not how they want it. This being a temporary rip off fix was, as someone else pointed out, announced. From here, it's going to take fine tuning.

Welcome to beta. If you can't handle it with a mature attitude, maybe you shouldn't play beta games anymore. That was a choice that you made. You also chose to play the game Citan wanted, not the game you wanted. Forcing you to play the game as he intended is EXACTLY his job. If you and others have found ways to play the game outside of that scope, fixing it is EXACTLY his job.

Your job is to continue trying to break it. Just so long as you're prepared to see the next nerf.

If you want to play a game where everyone is DPS rolling everything, I would strongly recommend GW2. It's free to play and seems to fit your play-style very well.

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Originally Posted by awol_lsd

all he had to do was fix the dmg's on the broken builds... and fix the mobs/spawn rates and groups.. which they STILL very much need to do. and common sense says needs to be done first before a blanket approach like this.... IF AFTER those changes are done and we see things still need changes then by all means start doing these blanket approaches and try things.. but you see time to kill is too high, you know there is a few builds that do 15k+ dmg... you don't say ok lets nerf everybody... then you just hurt the plethora of builds that was fine. instead you first fix the ones hitting them numbers adjust the mobs a bit and then collect data on TTK's and such

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Changes to Other Skills' Treasure Mods
Note: in the newest developer blog, we discussed an upcoming adjustment to percentage-based-damage treasure mods. This change has NOT been made yet because it needs more internal testing; it will happen in a future update.

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Originally Posted by awol_lsd

i didn't mean it 100% literal, sorry i assume most ppl know me so can understand what i mean since i've been around so long... that said i'm sure now that you know i didn't mean it literal you understand more. so i won't go into that any further. instead i'll ask you.

1st in your opinion should someone that fully geared 70/70 not be able to go level other skills with aoe grind, instead be forced to slow grind again and again? (if you think they should be forced to slow grind over and over again ignore the rest)
2nd aside from the above did these AoE mechanics changes do anything good that a simple fix to the dmg outputs wouldn't had done as well?
3rd does making broken builds not hit crazy numbers on 5+ mobs make much difference when they can still hit those numbers on 1-3 mobs?

i think people are miss understanding me, i am not wanting to keep broken builds in the slightest, i also don't mind the non-broken builds being nerfed some if Eric feels they need it. what i am apposed to here is this blanket mechanic change that seems to me to have 0 benefit over other changes other than an attempt to stop or slow capped players aoe grinding off skills.

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Your complaint is that Eric is expecting you to play the game the way he wants. That's what I'm getting out of you. The rest is meaningless babble, because that very statement is so incomprehensibly silly that it just negates anything else you might be trying to get across.

Drop that part of your line of thinking, start over, and I'll try discerning what you actually mean, as opposed to what you're saying. Because my mind reading skill is 50/100. I can totally discern what you're thinking when you're not saying what you mean, and your expectation of my doing so is 100% reasonable. </sarcasm>

What a spicy patch day