Wipe?

[Arterius]

Just curious will that be a wipe when the game goes to steam? What about launch?

[GrayBeard]

I assume it's still subject to change.

Per the FAQ: https://forum.projectgorgon.com/faq.php?faq=gameplay#faq_characterwipe

[Tigerwyld]

Just curious will that be a wipe when the game goes to steam? What about launch?

Of course their will be; we're too powerful :p think of the future rookies. But remember, they can't wipe our minds. We have the most powerful skill in the game.. ..Knowledge.

Thats why we MUST be wiped. So that we can be there, on the ground floor with the new rookies - ready to guide them. It's a vast, confusing and complex game.. ..our only curse is that we must not lvl to fast :p We can do in less than a week what it will take them a month to figure out... ...In an hour I can be off the Island, 2 hours - learned FM, Industry, Carptentry.. ..in 4 hours; got archery, magic, sword, ect up past 10.. .. in 3 nights we can have started cheesemaking if we want...

Ours is a special mission; we have to help Eric get the game ready.. ..then we have to guide the rookies safely and funly (is funly a word?) so that they can see the game as it is; not as some parts of it appear on the surface.

The gear, the mules/banks full of items, the money.. ...some may say its a horrible loss.. ... Me? I'd trade it all to be there. Be That guy. To be naked with the new players and fighting by their side, making them a growing part of our community.

But that's just me. I'm Tiger. I'm the Villain -- but i'm Chaotic Good. :)

[srand]

I assume it's still subject to change.

Per the FAQ: https://forum.projectgorgon.com/faq.php?faq=gameplay#faq_characterwipe

Thanks, Graybeard! And note that that applies to launch launch, not Steam Early Access beta launch.

[DamageIncorp]

That FAQ response is fairly equivocal. Some skills? Lots of mights and open to change wordage...not very reassuring.

[GrayBeard]

Of course their will be; we're too powerful :p think of the future rookies. But remember, they can't wipe our minds. We have the most powerful skill in the game.. ..Knowledge.

Thats why we MUST be wiped. So that we can be there, on the ground floor with the new rookies - ready to guide them. It's a vast, confusing and complex game.. ..our only curse is that we must not lvl to fast :p We can do in less than a week what it will take them a month to figure out... ...In an hour I can be off the Island, 2 hours - learned FM, Industry, Carptentry.. ..in 4 hours; got archery, magic, sword, ect up past 10.. .. in 3 nights we can have started cheesemaking if we want...

Ours is a special mission; we have to help Eric get the game ready.. ..then we have to guide the rookies safely and funly (is funly a word?) so that they can see the game as it is; not as some parts of it appear on the surface.

The gear, the mules/banks full of items, the money.. ...some may say its a horrible loss.. ... Me? I'd trade it all to be there. Be That guy. To be naked with the new players and fighting by their side, making them a growing part of our community.

But that's just me. I'm Tiger. I'm the Villain -- but i'm Chaotic Good. :)

I'm right there with you.
During 'launch launch' I'm hoping for a complete wipe.
Equal footing I say (except for the part they can't take away)

[Tigerwyld]

Then, let us not worry about the wipe.. forget entirely it exists... Eric will do what needs be done. thats all we need know. today,, tomorow,....

"Im gonna take you by surprise, and make you realize - Amanda" -
Boston

[Roekai]

i will be very disappointed if there is a wipe moreso because i will feel lied to by the devs than because i have to start over again, again...again.

[Krakatau]

A wipe would be awful IMO. I'd positively hate to start over and wouldn't have played until launch had I known. I know they've said items and currency and such, which I'm perfectly okay with...but I'd hate having to relevel some skills.

[Easylivin]

Wipe until you are clean nothing less.

[Silvonis]

We've never lied about the possibility of a wipe as the stance has always been prefixed with it's subject to change. That said, our stance is stated in the FAQ.

[takatoka]

i'd like to see a partial wipe (everything but skills and favour) for beta, and a total wipe for final commercial release

[ShieldBreaker]

I kind of feel we should leave this subject alone as much as possible. It is going to be a touchy subject.

However, for some reason lately I've been more open to the idea of a total wipe. Not completely sold on it but way more open then I thought I would ever be. Thinking about it I came up with this idea that maybe it should be an individual character by character choice. And that a Social Badge should be given to testers that indicates they were testers, and also whether or not that they submitted themselves to full wipe. There is probably no win-win solution and no solution that will make everyone happy. Oh well, guess we will wait and see.

[Khaylara]

The topic should be left alone:)
I will state again what I think about it in general terms, I don't intend to respond to any replies though.
Some of the testers (myself included) have been around for years (some with breaks but still for a long time). The problem for us is that the alpha has lasted 5-6 years already, a wipe would force us into pitless boredom. Honest talk, if I knew there was a wipe at the end of the testing stages I wouldn't have bothered to play, it was enough to pop in once in a while to check things and come back after launch when the game is finished. Idk if I can get myself to start again endurance, cooking etc. Admittedly I would be faster than actual new players but it wouldn't be fun so me personally won't be around much past launch. It's not a "threat" that I'd take my toys and leave but atm I'm on a break because ...tailoring. And because the pathfinding of my character seems messed up and playing gets me physically sick (getting dizzy etc, similar to motion sickness).
More tedious and repetitive tasks (that I've already done few times) would discourage me from playing if a complete wipe ever happens. They were fun the first time around but I have 3 characters with skills at 50+ and I guarantee that 3 times is enough for me (2nd time was actually boring already). I guess anyone would feel that way if instead of being able to explore new things they would have to go back in time 2-3 years and restart their characters. That was the appeal of PG for me, in other games you have to restart a character and do the same quests, grind the same areas over and over again if you want to try a new class. Wiping my char would push me exactly in that exact same direction-do the same things again.

I won't be very motivated to start again from scratch and not to be argumentative but nobody will ever convince me that I will have fun killing pigs and spamming bacon (again) for days. Idk how many other players feel the same way but it's just my $0.2

edit-I know I said this before but we all play games to have fun. And even though we are very loyal to this dev team and this game once a person stops having fun they won't continue a recreational activity based only on loyalty or nostalgia.

[Tagamogi]

The topic should be left alone:)
Indeed. :) However, since it seems we must have a new forum discussion on it every couple months, I might as well add my two councils.

First, there was a post by Citan a few months back that I thought made the non-likelihood of a skill wipe pretty clear: https://forum.projectgorgon.com/showthread.php?620-Please-clarify-Beta-Launch-for-us&p=5145#post5145 .

Second, hypothetically, I don't think I'd mind a total wipe for myself all that much at this point - I like leveling stuff, so to me it's not such a big deal. It might also be fun to do everything over again at launch in the "proper" leveling order, once new zones are in place and some quests have been reworked, etc. On the other hand, leveling takes a lot of time, so it's well possible that with a complete wipe I'd become exhausted and drop out. :) My tentative plan for launch is to make a brand-new alt to experience everything again from scratch, but also to keep on playing my main for when I just want to quickly jump into higher level content. ( Although without any gear, that could be pretty interesting, too.... watch me kill panthers with my bare hands so I can make some leather armor? )

Third, I would not be playing right now if the PG FAQ said there would be a total wipe at launch - I would just have waited until launch to play then. My general feeling is that the people who really want a total wipe are entirely free to delete their own character anytime they like.

[Khaylara]

I don't mind leveling new stuff at all, emphasis on "new" :P What I would mind would be lvling the same thing over and over again (since I've done it few times already). And tbh I like that I managed to lvl some things the hard way, it's kind of an accomplishment for me (things like poetry or cheesemaking), they're too easy to do now. And it's not about wanting to be against a wipe, I would just lack the motivation to do so since the "fun" part would be lacking for me. I think many older players will enjoy starting over at launch anyway but there's a difference between wanting to do that and being forced to reroll.

PS-I replied because it's a civil discussion and not a heated argument:) If we "must" talk about this every couple of months we might as well be nice for a change lol

[Tagamogi]

Khaylara - Yeah, you definitely have a point about the fun aspect of leveling stuff again. I don't mind leveling a few things again, but there are so many possible skills to level that I'd rather focus on the new ones than the ones I've already done once or twice. And I'm sure that the longer I play, the more I'll feel that way. :)


I think many older players will enjoy starting over at launch anyway but there's a difference between wanting to do that and being forced to reroll.

Yes, that exactly. I don't think the forcing would accomplish much beyond making some people very, very grumpy.

From a game balance aspect, it actually seems like a really good idea to me to not have a total wipe since that allows players to spread over different zones at launch and not have everyone hogging the newbie areas at exactly the same time. To me, that always makes for a really unpleasant game start experience.

Anyway, the extent of the wipe seems like a pretty abstract topic at this point in time - there's so much other stuff that gets to happen first, like the Steam launch and beta.

[poulter]

The developers will do what is considered to be best for the game & personally I am willing to wait, especially with Srand's comment on file, about what will happen to Citan if a full-wipe happens.

I went through a self-imposed total wipe about 20 months ago (after I got tired of playing a were-wolf). It took me under 10 days-played to be doing level 60 content in fully augmented gold gear (i.e. best in slot) with all necessary supporting skills levelled & paid for. Initial 3 skill sets were archery, fire & Battle Chemistry (i.e. the 'more' expensive ones). I now have a 100+ days played on this second toon.

I share the above, not to brag, but to emphasise that full wipe or otherwise, my expectation is that many veteran /long-time players could be back to crafted high-level gear & end-content instances, with plenty of gold (to buy /craft what they want) within 14 days played, or less.
However, I would not do the really 'grindy' skills another time :)

[Hood]

Wipe until you are clean nothing less.


"Sometimes when I wipe.......I'll wipe and I'll wipe and I'll wipe and I'll wipe.....a hundred times...still poop. still poop. It's like I'm wipin a marker or somethin" - Andy Dwyer

And these wipe threads are exactly like this. No one can seem to get clean of them.

[Khaylara]

The developers will do what is considered to be best for the game & personally I am willing to wait, especially with Srand's comment on file, about what will happen to Citan if a full-wipe happens.

I went through a self-imposed total wipe about 20 months ago (after I got tired of playing a were-wolf). It took me under 10 days-played to be doing level 60 content in fully augmented gold gear (i.e. best in slot) with all necessary supporting skills levelled & paid for. Initial 3 skill sets were archery, fire & Battle Chemistry (i.e. the 'more' expensive ones). I now have a 100+ days played on this second toon.

I share the above, not to brag, but to emphasise that full wipe or otherwise, my expectation is that many veteran /long-time players could be back to crafted high-level gear & end-content instances, with plenty of gold (to buy /craft what they want) within 14 days played, or less.
However, I would not do the really 'grindy' skills another time :)



Aws or Fiore?(srry I'm bad at remembering people's forum names) Question-did you use your former main char to do the crafting? 2 weeks is awfully short to have level 60 lw, augmenting etc:O It's possible I guess but it takes dedication

[poulter]

No use of pre-existing character at all.

Note: It was days-played, not elapsed calendar days. Think that equates to circa 240 hours play time
However, I was 'leeching' off manticore runs within a three played-days

[Easylivin]

"Sometimes when I wipe.......I'll wipe and I'll wipe and I'll wipe and I'll wipe.....a hundred times...still poop. still poop. It's like I'm wipin a marker or somethin" - Andy Dwyer

And these wipe threads are exactly like this. No one can seem to get clean of them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGCIGEUB32M

:cool:

[Dibbuk]

If I can keep my main character's name, Dibbuk, I would be happy. It wouldn't matter whether items, skills, or if even race got wiped, as long as I can keep my name.

[SausageJavelins]

If I can keep my main character's name, Dibbuk, I would be happy. It wouldn't matter whether items, skills, or if even race got wiped, as long as I can keep my name.

They can't wipe our identity!



... ok maybe they can. =P

I would definitely quit if I could not keep my name.