Testing of the world boss event held by Jack

[SassySusie]

So I brought this to the forum because I was totally ignored by Jack 3 times in the game. 2 were private messages and 1 time in global. But anyhow during the testing of the world bosses on the last fight with Hot Flash I was ported out of Hogans Keep into Gazluk. I am not even bound to Gazluk so this was very confusing to me what had happened. Please explain this to me, are there portal storms in this game now too? But its just not announced?

Just curious to see if I get ignored here too, but an explanation would be awesome and appreciated.

[mrwarp]

When running events, we sometimes take action to minimize the amount of looting that players can do if they aren't generally participating in the event. This encourages participation, and reduces resentment from other players. You just happened to get caught in one of those methods. When we do live events such as these, we are pretty free-form with the rules and do what we can to maintain a fun and fair event experience.


I am sorry that you felt ignored. As it always is at the end of these events, I am completely swamped in tells regarding feedback, bugs, glitches, thank yous and suggestions. It takes time to sort through all of that and get everyone taken care of, especially when it involves fixing a glitch that occured during the event. By the time I could reply to you, you'd logged off. In the future if you're unable to stay online until I can respond to you, remember that you can use an in-game or e-mail support ticket to request information.

[SassySusie]

For the record I was involved with every boss by the way, up until Hot Flash. I did not even loot the first hot flash that came out. But I was down there pulling the bosses around with apprehend for the fun of it having a bunch of laughs. As soon as they would die I would go back to the top of the wall where there was no lag. Sounds like you have a problem with me personally is why you ported me out of Hogans Keep. Deny it all you want but since this shit can happen I will never drop another dollar into this game. If an admin has the right to just port you out of the area when he pleases... well fuck that.

It's really funny that you only chose me to do this too, There were plenty others sitting on the wall during a a lot of the fights.

What is the use of logging into a game when an admin can just fuck with you when ever they want to? You have no idea what was going in my real life at that point of the hot flash fight... I mean come on so much sitting around for long periods of time waiting for the next spawn, of course something is going to come up.

Are you trying to chase off all the players that have been around a long time? Or just a certain few of us? But like I said whats the use of logging in anymore if an admin is just going to mess with the character I am playing.

[Glythe]

When running events, we sometimes take action to minimize the amount of looting that players can do if they aren't generally participating in the event. This encourages participation, and reduces resentment from other players. You just happened to get caught in one of those methods.

In past I have seen a lot of people just kind of afk at some of these events and participate in the content 'when it gets interesting/rewarding'. I was half asleep duing the event as there was a bit of downtime between some of the action. I know someone in my group had to step away for a moment and it easily could have been them that had been teleported away.

Maybe the afk teleport tuning tool needs a slight modulation? That event ran long enough for many people's food to run out and there was a good bit of downtime between events (naturally so as it was a test run to get the real event running smooth next month). Those conditions can make humans need to take care of bio needs.



Slightly off topic but I would like to mention as well while we are talking about a world boss rush.... can you change the loot pool for George?
His drops are level 30 but the monster does a non burst attack aoe death touch. His body count was easily higher than every boss except the final level 80 boss you spawned. George is not a fun fight due to the AoE push spam and aoe death touch. Now that nimble boots will not protect against the AoE the only working protection is death avoidance (tested and working) or possibly nimble pants. Any way you want to slice it... you have tuned George so that he is well beyond level 30 loot drops and has been that way for over a year (which is why I leave town as do many others I know when you spawn him in serb).

[SassySusie]

Oh sorry I would like to add one more thing, you said it was about the loot, well let me inform you I was in Fae Realm farming with two of my friends when my friend who just recently came back to the game said "I would like to go see what this is about that Jack is posting about in chat". Okay so we stopped farming to go to Hogans keep. Now with that being said you really think the loot that the bosses were dropping in Hogans was better than Fae Realm.... ya not even close. The only thing I looted there was Kraken tendrils, all the other things were a waste of time.

Personally I would of rather been anywhere but there at the moment but I was there hanging out with a couple of friends and having some good laughs with the deaths etc.... so I am still trying to wrap my mind around how you think this is right to just portal someone out when they are enjoying the company of friends.

In the 4 years I have played this game I have NEVER heard of this happening to anyone else, so are you telling me I am the first? Or am I just the first to question it?

[BetaNotus]

Figured I should chime in, but one of my alts was teleported to Gazluk as well during the event. I was up on the rocks outside the Keep taking screenshots of the event, and found myself in Gazluk without any warning. I had not looted, or even damaged any of the spawns. At first I thought it was something I had did, but apparently not.

If such a system is to ever be used again, I'd certainly recommend at minimum a pop-up alert for soon-to-be-teleported players warning them of what might happen. Additionally, I feel that porting people into Gazluk is downright ridiculous. The alt I was using has a highest combat level of around 16, and it took a half hour to get that character from Gazluk -> Kur -> Eltibule -> Serbule. I'm glad I was using my lycan for this, if I had been a player using an Agent character or in Hardcore mode, I could see myself exceptionally unhappy.

[Sheawanna]

Figured I should chime in, but one of my alts was teleported to Gazluk as well during the event. I was up on the rocks outside the Keep taking screenshots of the event, and found myself in Gazluk without any warning. I had not looted, or even damaged any of the spawns. At first I thought it was something I had did, but apparently not.

If such a system is to ever be used again, I'd certainly recommend at minimum a pop-up alert for soon-to-be-teleported players warning them of what might happen. Additionally, I feel that porting people into Gazluk is downright ridiculous. The alt I was using has a highest combat level of around 16, and it took a half hour to get that character from Gazluk -> Kur -> Eltibule -> Serbule. I'm glad I was using my lycan for this, if I had been a player using an Agent character or in Hardcore mode, I could see myself exceptionally unhappy.

I agree , perhaps porting them to serbule hills , just in case they are lower lvl .

[Citan]

We have to walk a fine line here. We've heard resentment from players in the past about ninja-looting during free-form events. It can really spoil the event for people and it can even create a negative impression of the entire game community. I don't want a few bad eggs making these events less fun.

On the other hand, we can't perfectly tell who is helping "enough" and who isn't. Live events are chaotic and messy enough as it is, and sometimes we'll get it wrong. But I still suspect we should TRY to stop ninja-looting, rather than turn a blind eye to it.

So even though we get it wrong sometimes, we'll keep trying to improve our methods and tools for live events, to make them more fair and fun for everyone. It'll take time and experimentation, which is why we test. Thank you for helping us test these events, and for letting us know how the events are working for you.

[Sheawanna]

We have to walk a fine line here. We've heard resentment from players in the past about ninja-looting during free-form events. It can really spoil the event for people and it can even create a negative impression of the entire game community. I don't want a few bad eggs making these events less fun.

On the other hand, we can't perfectly tell who is helping "enough" and who isn't. Live events are chaotic and messy enough as it is, and sometimes we'll get it wrong. But I still suspect we should TRY to stop ninja-looting, rather than turn a blind eye to it.

So even though we get it wrong sometimes, we'll keep trying to improve our methods and tools for live events, to make them more fair and fun for everyone. It'll take time and experimentation, which is why we test. Thank you for helping us test these events, and for letting us know how the events are working for you.

Personally I think everyone does a fine job .. like I said perhaps serbule hills better place . if in fact its due to involvement then still get ported , if its due to frps and ability to go on well serbule is close enough yet easy for low skill players . ( notice I said l said low skill players :) . cause in reality most that might be skilled higher might have a low skill elsewhere . but as for event thought it went fine although do agree George sucks :P

[Silence]

I thought loot was personalized? Its been a while since i have grouped, but i seem to recall Manticores dropping loot for all... long long long ago? What if im killing bosses in a group... is loot shared, what about the mods?

[INXS]

The issue instead I had is I was in the midst of the fighting and twice I had no permission to open for loot.
SassySusie didn't you get a super rare book from the event's loot and shared it in chat? I believe so.

[Oxlazr]

This sort of thing is generally why most places tend to have moderation be anonymous; it's far too easy to perceive preferential treatment when an admin isn't acting as an impartial third party.

I personally haven't had any issues, and I can see why many people enjoy the events, but to some extent they do feel intrusive and arbitrary in a way that diminishes the experience if you're not part of a particular social circle; indirectly, this sort of thing creates an "us vs. them" sort of mentality and essentially empowers admins with both game-play knowledge and the means to cultivate certain players above others by the way of the aforementioned preferential treatment, even if it's only perceived.

I only say this given what I've seen in the past - non-anonymous admins/moderation has, in my opinion, never ended well for the majority.

Regardless if I was AFK or not, I'd be infuriated if something akin to Sassy happened to me.

In the past, I've had a name change for one of my characters while more recent players have had such requests outright denied, and at times, people have shrugged it off saying it's not possible.

It's probably too late to do a 180 on the whole admin/event front, but I'd definitely set clear, concise rules and policies for all admin related activities, then have admins follow those rules to the letter.

As an aside, having admin event exclusive content should.. definitely not be a thing, even if they're just titles, but that's a tangent and opinion.

But yeah, definitely not too happy to see this sort of thing happen to Sassy.

[Celler]

I kind of think these big mobs should just appear randomly, no big fanfare, no waiting for crowds.
Just look what I found, help kinda thing.

Tend to agree with Vzi in many ways.

Also feel that any mob that is not available to those that play at different times should not really give either notoriety or anything special in the way of loot.

Trying to kill Sassy & Beta is frankly in poor taste, there are far more deserving folks to kill.

[SassySusie]

INXS

LOL no I was being a brat, I got that off the trolls in Fae Realm before Jack started the event. But everyone was posting scrolls they got off that kill so I posted mine from earlier. I assure you it was not off of Empusa.

[Henrycc265]

When running events, we sometimes take action to minimize the amount of looting that players can do if they aren't generally participating in the event. This encourages participation, and reduces resentment from other players. You just happened to get caught in one of those methods. When we do live events such as these, we are pretty free-form with the rules and do what we can to maintain a fun and fair event experience.


I am sorry that you felt ignored. As it always is at the end of these events, I am completely swamped in tells regarding feedback, bugs, glitches, thank yous and suggestions. It takes time to sort through all of that and get everyone taken care of, especially when it involves fixing a glitch that occured during the event. By the time I could reply to you, you'd logged off. In the future if you're unable to stay online until I can respond to you, remember that you can use an in-game or e-mail support ticket to request information.

Omg this game is filled with human curated event just like the good old times in Everquest ... makes me hooked up even deeper with project gorgon
Just wanna let you guys know I bought an iMac 2019 maximum spec and a Mac Pro 2019 solely for this game

[Glythe]

A newer player in my guild brought a fairy to these events and wanted to say that the pushback for many of these fights may be a little over the top (especially george).