Getting started with Alchemy?

[Delfofthebla]

What's the best way to get alchemy up quick for a new player? I'm wanting to pickup Battle Chem and I hear I gotta get 50 alchemy first.

[alleryn]

Some recipes i found useful while leveling alchemy:
- Bone Meal
- Bleeding Speed Potion
- Electricity Resistance Potion
- Thick Cranium Lotion
- Agonizing Speed Potion
- Pure Pineal Juice
- Enhanced Cranium Powder
- Strong Electricity Resistance Potion
- Dangerous Poisoned Knife
- Enhanced Pineal Juice
- Willpower Gel
- Cranium Balm

Sun Vale Work Order board is nice too once you get some levels.

All roads lead to Rome, though. Just doing whatever recipes you happen to have the ingredients for will probably be the fastest (if not most economical) way.

[ShieldBreaker]

Also try to do each recipe you learn at least once, so you can get the first time bonus.

[Delfofthebla]

Sounds good. Thanks for the tips.

[Stingite]

hehe. Once I got my skull extractor, I leveled to 40 in alchemy almost exclusively by turning bone into bone meal.

[Glythe]

Start with skulls to bonemeal but be aware after the spamming nerf you can't use that to get very high anymore.


One of the poison knives as a recipe drop can really help you : lvl 20 - Modest Poison knife.

Milk, giant spider leg, sugar, dirt = 80 xp on repeat. You can sell the knives or gift them to rick snapley (who is an underused vendor).


If you are planning on raising alchemy on an a new fairy alt I would suggest:

lvl 25 - Weak Acidic Cleanser. This is 100 xp per craft and gives you acid you will need for leveling jewelcrafting.

lvl 29 - Expert Caustic Ink. This is 116 xp per craft and gives you a product for carpentry industry. Note this is a drop recipe.

lvl 30 - Willpower Gel. This is 120 xp per craft and gives you a product to can combine again for more xp.

Bottle of Water, Beet, Parasol Mushroom flakes.

lvl 30 - Enhanced Pineal Juice. This is 120 per craft and gives you something you can turn in for faction to Gorvessa/Yalox.

Brain 3x, Milk, Beet, Willpower Gel. When you combine the Wilpower Gel/Enhanced Pineal Juice there is no bottle loss.

Lvl 45 - Coldrend potion. This is 180 xp per craft and gives you a potion you can sell or gift for faction. Note the bottle loss.

Ice Core, Sulphur, Fertilizer. Be aware this is a Hang Out recipe.

Lvl 40 - Iocaine Suspension.

This one takes planning - note that the second moon phase for Iocaine Mushrooms is about to end. You can make some Iocaine power with alchemy and then combo that for some Mycology XP with the Powder to make some poisoned food. I believe that food will give you many foods for Gourmand as well as giving you the Iocaine death xp.

[alleryn]

You can make some Iocaine power with alchemy and then combo that for some Mycology XP with the Powder to make some poisoned food. I believe that food will give you many foods for Gourmand as well as giving you the Iocaine death xp.
Pretty sure that iocaine foods don't give gourmand xp.

[AgentBbrian]

Start with skulls to bonemeal but be aware after the spamming nerf you can't use that to get very high anymore.
What was the Spamming nerf?

[Niph]

What was the Spamming nerf?
It's a level nerf. If you're a high-level character crafting a low-level recipe, it won't give you the normal amount of XP but a reduced one. So, you can't spam easy recipes to skip high-level recipes anymore.

[alleryn]

So, you can't spam easy recipes to skip high-level recipes anymore.

Well, you can, you just have to spam more of them. (I guess at some point the reduction may bring them down to zero xp, but until then you can).

And considering some alchemy recipes are so profitable i continue to spam them long after i maxed out alchemy, it's not really such a deterrent.

[Glythe]

Well, you can, you just have to spam more of them. (I guess at some point the reduction may bring them down to zero xp, but until then you can).

Alchemy is wickedly simple to get to 50 compared to leather/tailor/blacksmithing.

Be aware that recipes most certainly will eventually drop to zero xp. When I did leatherworking I went from 0-58 using shoddy/rough/crude recipes only while fully craft buffed. You cannot do this anymore in the slightest degree as tailoring for some of the low recipes when you are at level 20 in tailoring will only net you about 10 xp per combine on repeat. In the past this might have been as much as 30-40 xp per combine when buffed.

Overall this was a good change because it should not be viable to make extremely cheap items and skip recipes to make end game armor.

[AgentBbrian]

It's not wicked simple for a new player to get to 50 in alchemy.
There are recipes hidden all over the place that you gota get.

The spam nerf for crafting is a bit stronger than people are making it out to be for the 30+ skill gain part.
It is do-able but thats alot of resources and a system of boredom.
Just to unlock Battle Chemistry.. at 50 skill..

I feel like you should be able to unlock B/C earlyer with Alchemy, without the skill lock out for the initial unlock of the skill and it works similar to Fire Magic but with Alchemy, and you need to skill up Alchemy to unlock the skills.
This get to 50 alchemy then be an AOE farm machine with golems is meh for a niche crowd or solo rpg people, not an mmo.

[Glythe]

It's not wicked simple for a new player to get to 50 in alchemy.
There are recipes hidden all over the place that you gota get.

Battlechemistry was my third 50 class long long ago. There were fewer recipes but you could spam (that being said I laid out a very easy path to level alchemy). I was poor and broke because there was no casino. I stand by my claim that it takes less effort/resources to get alchemy to 50 than the three tradeskills I mentioned. Tool+skulls = eventual chemist.




I feel like you should be able to unlock B/C earlyer with Alchemy, without the skill lock out for the initial unlock of the skill and it works similar to Fire Magic but with Alchemy, and you need to skill up Alchemy to unlock the skills.
This get to 50 alchemy then be an AOE farm machine with golems is meh for a niche crowd or solo rpg people, not an mmo.

Citan decided B/C ws an advanced class and takes more effort to unlock. See bard and thank the high heavens that it does not require annoying things - just requires mycology, first aid, gardening and meditation to 50 for the skills you will use. From what I can tell he wants someone who desires the profession to be dedicated about getting it. B/C would be far less special if everyone were using it.

Maybe you should stop trying to unlock it? Did you know B/C has gotten 2 really strong negative adjustments in the last 2 years and no buffs? Its "root" was apparently intended to always be a snare and that was corrected. The older nerf was the aoe change that made aoe slaughter a thing of the past (more than 3 mobs and you get massively less damage).

The golem is the best pet in the game but still doesn't work as well as it should. He loves to haste the air behind you instead of you quite often. He cannot be told to cast fire shield on himself when on fire and as a result always dies to droaches. The golem has no new programming options or new powers since the level 80 update.

The sad truth is that most people unlock B/C just to have it or to run really fast with another set. I would say there are less than 20/200 active players in the game you could find who will say B/C is their go to skill as a combat class.

I consider myself an alchemist because I can actually make a large majority of the recipes in large quantities. I could snap my fingers and make over 100 gur hortas. But I plan on saving those for my new fae character who will follow in my chemistry footsteps. I have not an entire set of alchemy recipes that I collected (not purchased) but all the ones I actually use including inks 1-4.

You could always ask nicely in chat if anyone is doing any alchemy combines - they might offer to let you complete them for free. I admit that I had a guild member do this for me for a limited number of combines to get a level or two and it really does help.

[AgentBbrian]

AoE slaughter nerf, Pre spam nerf, bone spam, alchemy combines, eventual chemist, less recipes and resources to focus on and clog your beginner character storages.

Not sure what alchemy combines are.
Have met a few B/C people but alot more people with fire and pets and zombies.
Hope this gets looked at to reduce the skill needed to get B/C or rework it like Fire Magic, because no matter the skill.. someone can throw a rock or grenade making the reason B/C should be linked with alchemy pretty cool, but not to skill up over 50% of a skill to its max to be able to unlock, as a new player it does feel like too many things require a niche' pov to playing instead of the mmo it is.
Making a new character after already playing for a long time before previous nerfs and changes and having the resources already prep'd aswell as the knowledge of how things works from previous character is not really what i would consider having a new player pov in the games current era of development.
Bard being annoying things haha.. seems alot of people share your opinion on the way this mechanic is, like horrible unlock mechanics and its considered ok to do and is not fun but people with a "gota earn it" syndrome in an mmo in early stages of development, but people will still get the skill up if its worth while, sometimes i feel like game makers get too much credit for making something because most of the times things are not fun, they are a just* to a means* and players force themself to doit instead of liking it, people will do it anyway and some will cut themself and moan that they earned it with sweat and tears :D(:

A game where you are not locked to a certain class of skill, one where you can skill up everything if you wanted and try everything see what you like, people are going to do this regardless, but reasons are silly in an online game, some people have fun by hurting themself.

[Glythe]

Hope this gets looked at to reduce the skill needed to get B/C or rework it like Fire Magic


Battle Chemistry is not an easy class to get into because of all the things you have to do when you get there but I hope it never becomes easy like fire magic (meditating on my fairy right now as I post). My fairy is 38 alchemy right now as one of things I have been getting ready for was how to level up alchemy again. Interestingly enough the bonemeal spam did not affect me very much but I suppose I am not the average joe when it comes to alchemy (as I keep materials to make many of the items unlike 99% of people who train the skill). I think my new character has just about every drop recipe aside from some of the sunvale ones.

I do not see a problem with alchemy being the gate to lock new players out of Battle Chemistry. How would it be if when you got there you could not buy most of the skills because you lacked cooking, first aid, meditation, lore, fishing and gardening levels?

One of the members of my guild is struggling with what he will have to do for bard. I feel it is definitely worth it and I have tried to encourage him down that path if he is willing to go for it. I love Battle Chemistry and if you want it bad enough you will unlock it. If not you can be the 99th new fire mage on the block (not that there is anything wrong with that).

[cr00cy]

Glythe - I think issue discussed here is that Alchemy is hard for new player. I have stockpiled tons of mats on my main(no recipes though) so I probbaly could level up alchemy on my fairy to high lv pretty easly too.

But is it as easy for new player, who don't have anys tockpiled mats/recipes? No.

Is it too hard?

Well... I don't know. It was literal years since I maxed my Alchemy, so I don't remember how easy/hard it was to level it - and thats not counting how much levleing experience has changed since then. Few new recipes were added, exp gains were changed and so on.

Thats why, I decided to play my fairy without any help from my main. To see how new(ish) player experience will look like.

[AgentBbrian]

Sure, i mean i didn't struggle with fire magic, the only part i couldn't figure out was where to start the training via the cooking menu thing.
The gathering of material for fire magic was slightly time consuming for a new play, because it wasn't looking in my storage for things i knew i had to keep, it was still alot of favor grinding at that point.

My miffed part was why a cool skill is considered "advanced" when everyone can do alchemy like the Fire Skill training, but the B/C has no relation to it other than skill wall... just one lockout of skill.. that's what makes it advanced?
Farming bones to make bonemeal.. an amazing difference from fire training to alchemy.. (thats alot of bones for a newbie)
Why doesn't it take training to become a B/C like needing to craft a bunch of potions like the fire skill training, like tiers or stages to unlock the skills, just an arbitrary skill lock at 50.. ta da youre advanced now.
But i guess Augmentation needs 5 skills at 25 skill to unlock and then travel into snow zone to die to do a quest and then return to get the skill, then level the skill, so why not make B/C an advanced alchemy combat skill when you have modding for gear wrapped up in a weird mid game crafters lockout too, it's just some of the reasons people call this a niche game and others call it shit.

[Glythe]

*Post Bone Meal Update*

Make sure you get the early level recipes @10 & 15 from Azalak. These are easy for a new player to spam and can help you get to the recipes I have posted previously. You can get faction with him easily by giving him a few level 50 magic hats from a daily run.



My miffed part was why a cool skill is considered "advanced" when everyone can do alchemy like the Fire Skill training, but the B/C has no relation to it other than skill wall... just one lockout of skill.. that's what makes it advanced?

so why not make B/C an advanced alchemy combat skill when you have modding for gear wrapped up in a weird mid game crafters lockout too, it's just some of the reasons people call this a niche game and others call it shit.

I feel this falls under game designer's privilege. He built the world so he has the freedom to say Bard and BC are not as easy as everything else. These skills have special rules to do them (or advance) and as a result get some pretty powerful abilities.

BC and bard both have good aoes and strong heals at the same time.


Glythe - I think issue discussed here is that Alchemy is hard for new player. I have stockpiled tons of mats on my main(no recipes though) so I probbaly could level up alchemy on my fairy to high lv pretty easly too. As a new player I unlocked battle chemistry within my second or third week. I think it is a rough path because of all the other things you have to do. So from my point of view the lock out makes perfect sense so that someone who wants to follow this path has time to work on cooking , meditation, fishing, etc. while they grind out the alchemy.

[AgentBbrian]

Sure, i can see that later on, but as a new player you don't get that info, you gota come on here and look and google or wiki.

Level 50 magic helms are not available to a new player in doing a daily, you would have to buy them from Joeh then give them to him.

When i discuss new player stuff with people that have been here for a long time, they talk asif everything is an alt to their main and it seems like they forget what it was like so long ago when they first started, when you say "just do this" the person has probably 4-10 wiki tabs open in his browser trying to figure out what the serb sewer is or something.
If he wanted to be a B/C he is out of luck without a long while of grinding outside of the favor hunting and quests, he cant just go to his bank and get out the saved items specifically for the favor of his alt he wanted to give B/C.. because that's all an advanced class is really.. it's the alt of your main, or your later down the road main character with B/C..

People talk about how they hate certain mechanics and then everyones like "well the devs said in their infinite wisdom its an advanced class" but people are still going to do it even if it sux, and they are going to get upset and bored when they find out its like any other combat class just with all the things they gota do to unlock it.
What was the reason? so that everyone wasn't a bard or B/C running around? literally translated it's a skill block to stop people from doing those things, but they still will and atm iv not met anyone who has enjoyed getting those skills, they get the unlock thank god its over then carry on leveling the thing and repress what they did and are just happy its over until they get bored and take a long break.
Because not many people play as much as alot of you.. everyday.. like all the time.

From what iv seen, no player that has 1000+ hours in this game wants to start new character without using the account stash they just wont do that again, they don't want to experience being new again because most of them hated it, people sometimes say it wasn't so bad but then tell you they forgot what it was like asif they had repressed it from memory.
But still being on a new character doesn't get rid of the knowledge you have gained on how things work and what to do and storage and favor etc..

[INXS]

Unlocking BC is only the first step to a steep hill climb because once unlocked it's not like other skills, kill and level it up, you going to hit roadblocks you'll need to unlock higher tier abilities needing skills like Cooking, Meditation, First Aid, Fishing to lv 40-45. The reason behind having it unlocked until lv 50 Alchemy is possibly that by that time the other skills needed have been started and are at a certain growth stage.

[Glythe]

Sure, i can see that later on, but as a new player you don't get that info, you gota come on here and look and google or wiki.


You are 100% correct about this gripe and the game would be a better place for this problem being fixed. Someone who has been playing less than 2 weeks made this very same remark.

I do want to point out though that I got battle chemistry unlocked in under a week for my first character (in a time when there was no free money from the casino).

You could have spent the week from the first time you posted in this thread to unlock alchemy (even if a few hours at a time just ripping out skulls - but that option is closed if you missed it now).

[AgentBbrian]

Sure, i could be spending my time clicking on an online game for a solid week..
Or i could be doing something else with my time.
I can do any other combat skill not advanced and grind it fine and enjoy it, buuuut because B/C is advanced.. i need another week worth of farming to get it.. isnt that a purposely added time waste? like you could do it at the rate of others.. but nope.
I mean higher level NPC skill trainers of advanced skills are just 1 dude in 1 place and sometimes those dudes are only around at certain times of the day, and they only visit one spot and there is no other similar NPCs or sync skill related to those nearby to train with or use as a vendor or storage, like no advanced hub you would be able to spot if new without needing the wiki.
Woulda been nice to see an advanced class have advanced trainers that visited other towns asif they traveled or something.. anything to make the class seem advanced in 1 way at all other than just cramming more time into the grind to actually want to stop people from doing it because it sux.. really think about that, its said the reason things are as the way they are is to stop everyone from being one, you gota want to do it.. but yay for gardening fertilizer hey.

Not sure how long i need to play this game to casually try to sell someone at a full week of only playing this game and be only grinding 1 skill, clicking the dead bodies because there is no loot support buttons and mooch bones into fertilizer because of the advanced special tag just pretend thats a fun activity just because they were forced to do that in a different stage of the games development when the mechanics were different and some say easier.


Doesn't matter now though hey, because you get to keep your skills when the wipe happens at launch, never need to do it again unless you like alts, but finding a better method to make the skill a fun advanced one isn't going to be looked at or cared about for those who already have it, bias feedback really, isn't it..
So they say i hated doing it-it sucked never again thankgod its over, forever bad mechanic no future improvements 1 week farming #jagex (https://forum.projectgorgon.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=jagex) .

[PGSly]

Well, you can, you just have to spam more of them. (I guess at some point the reduction may bring them down to zero xp, but until then you can).

And considering some alchemy recipes are so profitable i continue to spam them long after i maxed out alchemy, it's not really such a deterrent.

I already had 11 alchemy and I did the Bone Meal recipe once and only got xp for it once. Lol.

[PGSly]

Doesn't matter now though hey, because you get to keep your skills when the wipe happens at launch, never need to do it again unless you like alts, but finding a better method to make the skill a fun advanced one isn't going to be looked at or cared about for those who already have it, bias feedback really, isn't it..
So they say i hated doing it-it sucked never again thankgod its over, forever bad mechanic no future improvements 1 week farming #jagex (https://forum.projectgorgon.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=jagex) .

That's an excellent point, in so far as other players who've already leveled the skill on "easy street" are concerned.
Of course that is part in parcel a benefit of supporting Project Gorgon in it's infancy.
The huge early access spiel on the steam page sums up what I can expect from Project Gorgon and I'm sure the Dev's appreciate your feedback.

Welp, I'm off to making Bone Meal for zero Alchemy Experience but at least I"m getting materials for fertilizer =).

[alleryn]

I already had 11 alchemy and I did the Bone Meal recipe once and only got xp for it once. Lol.

Yeah that's a change that got patched in at some point because it was determined this was too easy.

There are still a lot of recipes that i am finding for easy alchemy xp on my alt:
- Rotten Strawberry. Main always needs more for fertilizer
- Speed Potions (Blinding/Agonizing), though i haven't found the recipe yet. To sell.
- Cranium Powders (not the base one but the other two Enhanced i think is one, i forget the exact names) can buy these from azalak. To sell.
- Weak Acidic Cleanser (which my main always needs more of for various crafting, and it stacks high, so why not just spam a bunch on my alt)
- Pineal Juices (again not the base one but the other two, though really the third one is best in terms of money maintaining/making, and i don't think you get this until 30, when...). To sell.
- Once you hit 30 it's a walk in the park because you can spam Wilpower Gels (admittedly this is another hard-to-find recipe, i think, although i managed to get 2 and haven't even hit 30 alch yet). Wilpower Gels can be turend into Cranium Balm or the aforementioned top-tier Pineal Juice for more alch xp and nice cash.